Girl Guides says biological males can shower with girls–but the parents can’t be told

By Jonathon Van Maren

As organization after organization falls to the marching militants of today’s gender ideology, it is sometimes hard not to get exasperated. No matter how prestigious the institution, and no matter how innocent the pastime, the gender ideologues show up and demand that their recently-concocted gender fluidity theories be fully implemented. This time around, the Girl Guides have been ruined, with the Telegraph reporting that new guidelines have been created to accommodate any kids subscribing to transgenderism:

The Girl Guides will allow boys who identify as female to shower with girls, it has emerged. For the first time, Girlguiding’s official guidance instructs guide leaders to allow members who were born male but now identify as female to share changing rooms, toilets and sleeping quarters with girls when away on excursions. The 107-year-old organisation updated its rules, which apply to members aged from five to 25, to allow transgender girls to “share accommodation with other young members if they wish” and use the same facilities.

Just in case you’re wondering, yes—that does mean that biological males in full possession of functioning penises can shower with the girls. It also means that the biological males can sleep with the girls “if they wish.” You’ll notice, again, that this is not really about accommodation. If this was about accommodation, there would be special arrangements made, and there would be careful attention paid to how the girls might feel about having boys shower with them. Since the transgender craze began, girls have made clear over and over again that they are profoundly uncomfortable with these new arrangements. But accommodating vulnerable young girls is not important anymore. Those girls need to get over their “transphobia,” and the gender ideologues must have their beliefs accommodated to the detriment of everyone else:

Guidance on transgender members was first added in 2015 and updated this year. The new guidance, issued on the group’s UK website, says that “the use of gendered facilities,” including showers, toilets and changing rooms, “can cause anxiety”. It adds: “Members are allowed to use the facilities of the gender they self-identify as.”

So there you have it—the use of “gendered facilities”—as in, boys with the boys and girls with the girls—can “cause anxiety,” and thus must be done away with. But if “causing anxiety” was the genuine concern here, perhaps the anxiety of the girls who do not want to shower with the boys would be taken into account. In fact, the opposite of what these guidelines state is usually the case—an Alberta school that began to build gender-neutral bathrooms recently reversed course after students protested and one student even began a petition. But who cares—“inclusion” must be respected at all costs:

Julie Bentley, Girlguiding Chief Executive, said that the organisation follows the requirements set out in the Equality Act 2010, which states that organisations providing single-sex services must treat people according to their acquired gender. Ms Bentley said: “In line with our values of inclusion, we welcome any young person who self-identifies as a girl or young woman… The Government announced in July that it was to allow adults to legally challenge their gender without facing “demeaning” rules that force people to undergo a formal medical diagnosis.

So these days, you can “acquire” a new gender without being forced to “demean” yourself with a formal medical diagnosis. In other words, you can be whatever you want to be, regardless of reality. And of course, accommodation has its limits. For example, telling parents that there could be a penis or two in the shower with their daughters is unacceptable, because those parents might be transphobic and not want that to occur again:

There are concerns, however, that sharing accommodation and personal facilities will threaten the safety and privacy of girls, especially as parents of younger members would not be automatically told if their daughter was sharing such facilities. The guidance states that it is not “best practice” to inform parents that a trans person will be attending a residential event.

The arrogance of those who presume that their brand-new gender ideology trumps the desire of parents to keep their daughters safe from victimization is breathtaking. Those creating these guidelines know that most people have too much common sense to trust a young person with male genitals in the shower with a bunch of young girls, and so they have decided that it is not “best practice” to tell parents that this might be happening. And why? Because they have decided to redefine human reality:

The organisation’s gender guidelines state: “‘Girl’ is based on gender identity. This means that any child who self-identifies as a girl should feel safe and welcome in our girl-only space regardless of the sex that they were assigned at birth.”

And if girls don’t feel safe and welcome with biological males in the bathroom with them? That’s just too bad. If they say that they are uncomfortable, that’s too bad, too. Because these days, all girls have the right to be believed—until their instincts conflict with the sacred cows of gender ideology. When that happens, it’s time for re-education.


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36 thoughts on “Girl Guides says biological males can shower with girls–but the parents can’t be told

  1. Thomas says:

    For boys who identify as female, only those who have started biological menstrual cycle may be considered. that is some sort of equality with girls.

  2. Interested Reader says:

    What you need now is the REAL Girl Guides of Canada, and let those who want to have a co-ed program go their own way.

  3. BobS says:

    I thank Jonathon for getting these very important facts out, but more is needed. Please report on more consequences of these perverse decisions and above all, please report on how various groups have successfully countered these policies. People need to know what has been done successfully in opposition to this perversity. Then they will be encouraged to make a stand them-selves and have ideas as to how they can make that stand. Identify the problem, contain the problem, eliminate the problem. 3 step process.

  4. morven says:

    What is going to happen about the use of toilets
    and changing facilities?
    The law allows separate-gender sanitary and
    changing facilities. Businesses are allowed to balance
    the rights of the transsexual user with those of
    other users, taking account of all the circumstances.
    A service provider will need to take into account a
    number of factors, including:
    • what the transsexual person wants
    • the likely impact on other service users/
    consumers, for example, in terms of privacy/
    likelihood of serious embarrassment
    • the stage of gender reassignment, and
    • the impact on the business, i.e. the practicality of
    treating a transsexual person in their acquired
    DO remember that this is a very sensitive issue,
    and it is important that you take the views of the
    transsexual person into account when making a
    decision.The dignity and privacy of the transsexual
    customer need to be given serious consideration.
    While preventing use of a single-sex facility may
    appear to be justified, great care needs to be
    taken in deciding whether it is fair and reasonable
    to refuse use in the particular circumstances.You
    will need to consider if simple alternatives can be
    offered to ensure that the needs of all customers
    are met, although take care because any different
    treatment may be considered less favourable.
    • Can a transsexual woman be allowed to use the
    female changing rooms in a clothes shop?
    If changing cubicles in a clothes shop allow privacy,
    there is no reason to object to a transsexual person
    using one. But offering a transsexual person the
    broom cupboard to change in as an alternative to a
    communal changing room may be discriminatory.
    • Can a man just put on some lipstick and try to get
    into the ladies toilet?
    No. A man who just puts on lipstick but does
    not wish to change his sex is not a transsexual
    person who is undergoing the process of changing
    his gender, nor is he likely to be thought to be
    transsexual, so he cannot rely on this protection.
    Further information
    For guidance on dealing with transsexual people as
    service users or customers, the Equality and Human
    Rights Commission (EHRC) provides information:

    • Dee says:

      • Can a man just put on some lipstick and try to get into the ladies toilet?
      Yes, in fact there is no need for him to put lipstick on or change his appearance in any way. All he has to do is say that he identifies as a woman. He doesn’t need a GRC as there is no authority to ask to see it. Women have no legal protection from men who say they identify as women unless they actually commit an offence, but by then it is too late, the woman is already a victim.
      These girls and women are being thrown under the bus to appease the transactivists.

  5. morven says:

    toilets and changing facilities
    The law allows separate-gender sanitary and 
    changing facilities. Businesses are allowed to balance 
    the rights of the transsexual user with those of 
    other users, taking account of all the circumstances .

  6. Gerard Flood says:

    If you don’t have Patrick J. Byrne’s new book, “Transgender: One Shade of Grey” Legal Implications for Man & Woman, Schools, Sport, Politics, Democracy, then you are under-resourced for the intellectual battles. It is the most comprehensive survey of the various aspects of the issues: erudite, concise, readable, and easily deployable in debate.

    • Ethan says:

      Byrne writes upon his pre-conceived notion that transgender people simply “want” to be viewed as the opposite gender. He does not consider that transgender people “are” the opposite gender – only having been born with the incorrect sex.

      Gender dysphoria is a mind-boggling concept, but the best way I can describe it is to imagine being fused under a costume with the opposite sex characteristics. You are eternally trapped under this costume, and even though you are a man, people label you as a woman. You don’t just want to be a man, you are a man. This is the case for people suffering from GD. And although Byrne’s writing is intellectual and thought-provoking, it is unfortunately built upon an incorrect and unstable foundation.

  7. Bev says:

    As a former leader and trainer in the Girl Guides, I am in shock that the organisation would stoop to this level. The organisation has finally lost the plot and I will no longer support them

  8. Kathryn says:

    The article missed out 2 aspects that make the picture even worse. First, the new rules about being able to “identify into” Guides etc without any transition don’t just apply to the children, but also to leaders. So a fully grown, intact male can become a “female” leader and be allowed to share accommodation with the female leaders and do all the same roles, including potentially personal care for the girls. Again, parents aren’t meant to be informed.
    Second, despite all the messages about how diversity is good and girls shouldn’t feel constrained by stereotypes – and despite the fact that around 80% of gender-questioning children have been shown to grow out of it without treatment – UK Guiding has now also decided that if one of their girls starts identifying as a boy, instead of giving her time and support to work through her feelings (and reassurance that you can be however you are and still be a girl!) she is now to be encouraged to leave Guiding. So they are turning their backs on precisely the girls most in need of the positive messages of Guiding, and instead reinforcing that they must indeed be “a boy really”…

  9. Tracey says:

    I used to be a Guide leader as well and am not shocked at this. They changed the pledge years ago and took God out of it. They are affiliated with Girl Scouts who support Planned Parenthood, and in fact the world organization of Girl Guides supports Planned Parenthood and abortion, so I quit and pulled my girls out. It was a matter of time.

    • ciao says:

      sorry Tracy. planned parenthood is exactly what it says it is. it helps people plan their lives regarding children. abortion is an option but defunding planned parenthood is going to ruin a lot of kids lives.

      and as far as god being removed, good riddance; religion is the biggest misogynist men’s club on the planet.

      • Abraham Rebukenstein says:

        “defunding planned parenthood is going to ruin a lot of kids lives. ”

        That has to be the most idiotic comment of the week.

        Uh, no “lives” get ruined by not visiting planned parenthood.
        The Satanic pervert infested organization should be called “planned BARRENhood”.
        Because they are not in business to help parenthood but to prevent it via either chemical abortions or surgical abortions.

        BTW. If you don’t like religion, how about you protest the TAX FUNDED religions of the climate change hoax and evolution hoaxes?

      • Ginger says:

        No, banned parenthood helps no one. It is a politically leftist and racist organization, collecting billions from taxpayers to charge girls to butcher their babies without being told of alternatives. Mostly in poor black neighborhoods because their founder’s mission was to ‘eradicate black weeds’ only now they do it for fun and massive profits and sell the parts. Nothing but pure evil at banned parenthood

  10. Sandy says:

    What this article implies is that the girls shower TOGETHER which they do not!! I have been a leader for over 20 years and the girls dont shower at meetings or weekend camps. Therr would never be a situation where there is a group shower. This article has taken the transgender inclusion to the absolute wrong level. Also, we have a buddy system which means no leader can be alone one on one with a youth member. Girls using public restrooms go in pairs and wait for each other, leaders are forbidden to go in their tents or sleeping quarters alone. It’s not like we have community showers or toilets people. ALL girls have privacy to dress, wash and use the bathroom at all times regardless of their sexual orientation!!

  11. ciao says:

    whomever begins w the assumption that males can become females is ignorant at best and a dangerous misogynist at the very worst. men, despite hacking of healthy body parts and poisoning themselves w synthetic hormones, are still male–EVERY cell in their body has the xy chromosome…and their sanctimonious and self serving behavior should be a major clue that they were raised male and it shows by their thoughtless and selfish behavior.

  12. Heather says:

    As a Leader for various organizations of many many many years I can assure you this article is full of false ideas and we do not infringe on the rights of individuals, we are fully transparent to all families involved about all aspects of our unit and the youth involved. The suggestion that we shower together and are sleeping together as it is worded is irresponsible and inflammatory writing. I could go on as the article is fully ridiculous and fictional. You should be ashamed of writing such and ill informed and unresearched article and should never be allowed to represent the writing community with your ignorance again. What next are you going after Scouting or youth groups or Churches?? And ANYONE that blindly believed any of this should shake their heads too. (by reading the comments there are a lot of you)

  13. Rob says:

    How do I even know this is a true news story. Genuine question.

    My problem with so many of these types of news stories is that they are so bizarre that without investing significant effort researching each of them, I have no way to know whether their claims are true or false.

    How to solve this problem?

  14. Jon says:

    What will these administrators say when the first girl gets raped by the guy who identifies as a woman? Will they say this is an isolated incident? Tragedy waiting to happen.

    • Ethan says:

      What will the administrators say when a girl gets raped by another cisgender girl? Clearly there would be legal action, and there would certainly be legal action if your proposed scenario occurred.

      This is obviously unlikely to happen, but your proposed scenario is just as – if not more – improbable. The real, likely threat is the transgender individual being the victim of rape – nearly half of transgender people are victims of sexual assault, according to the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey.

  15. Matt Schroeder says:

    Hey finally a female group in the sights of this craziness! Hopefully your national leadership is smarter than the BSA leadership and does two things. 1) Puts a foot down and says oh hell no! And 2) Never ever becomes dumb enough to agree to come to any discussion with their adversary. You simply dont enter into arguments with opposition groups unless you’re willing to leave the discussion having given something of your beliefs up.

  16. Aaron says:

    Bottom line with you perverts is if you follow the wife or daughter of a real man into a shower or bathroom you will be tube fed the rest of your lives IF you survive it. TRY IT!

  17. Mags says:

    Bottom line is this: if an organization proposes to hide information from parents about their children while those children are under the care of the organization, there’s something wrong with the organization.

  18. Faith says:

    Thank you for exposing these outrageous, criminal practices. Girls and women *have already been* attacked as a result of these perverted policies privileging PREDATORS over innocent females. Just do an internet search. The depravity–the sheer evil–of those who continue to support such policies is breathtaking. Satanic, I would say.

  19. CJ says:

    I am commenting to let other readers know that this article may seem confusing because the author is talking about multiple organizations that all use the term “Girl Guides” in their name.

    For example, Girlguiding in the UK has different rules than Girl Guides of Canada, The Girl Guides in Bahrain are certainly not following the same beliefs as the Girl Guides in Myanmar. There are 152 nations involved in guiding, each with separate organization and guidelines. Each organization is related by only name, and there is no governing board that makes these decisions for everyone.

    This fact is an important piece of information that is being left out of the article, and it is also a very easy piece of information to obtain with a quick internet search.

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